What to use for soil?

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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72832
Hi All,

I hope this does not seem like a dumb question but I live on a tropical island and I cannot find any Bonsai soil here and I am hoping that I can get some advice as to what I can use to substitute with if I am unable to find Akadama, Pumice or Lava rock here? I would have to import these things so I am hoping for some alternatives as that will get expensive. I am trying to start with a Ficus as that seems to be the most prevalent starting point for bonsai.

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Gerry
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72833
The usual mixture a long time ago was 1/3 loam, 1/3 sand, 1/3 dirt. What you want is something that holds water, but drains excess water.

Try mixing up sand, dirt, and organic stuff (I use used coffee grounds) starting about 1/3 each, and see how it drains. If you pour water on it and water pours out of the drain hole in the pot, it should be OK. It should hole water for a day unless it is pretty hot, and be close to dry the next day.

Once you get the right proportions, put the ficus in it, then watch to see if the soil mixture clumps up and water doesn't drain. If that happens you should have used more sand.

Depending on the tropical island, you may have lava available in small pieces. If so, use that in place of sand. "Small" means 1/2 centimeter or so.
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72834
Thanks for your response Ivan, I will do some testing with the items you are suggesting. For improved drainage maybe I should add some small grit as well or do you think the sand going to be coarse enough to allow for that?

Gerry
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72835
If you have garden centers around you, you can pay them a visit and ask what products they keep in stock for soil improvements.

Also in diy stores it might be able to find expanded clay balls. The small ones can be used directly whilst the big ones needs to be crushed and sifted.
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72837
Hi Tropfrog,

Thanks, I will check around for that. I have seen in some other forums that people are using kitty litter in their soil but I am sure that there are chemicals added to that stuff that may not be good for the trees, what do you think?

Gerry
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72840

bajangerry wrote: Thanks for your response Ivan, I will do some testing with the items you are suggesting. For improved drainage maybe I should add some small grit as well or do you think the sand going to be coarse enough to allow for that?

Gerry


That would be better than plain sand, I think. For the rest of the mix, you need to experiment to get a decent mix of drainage and holding water. You really don't want to have to monitor all day and water every hour, so you need something in the mix that holds water, but you don't want too much. The usual mix here is lava rock and pumice along with akadama or something else like that. Pumice holds water real well, and so does akadama, without keeping the roots soggy.

Good luck.
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72844

bajangerry wrote: Hi Tropfrog,

Thanks, I will check around for that. I have seen in some other forums that people are using kitty litter in their soil but I am sure that there are chemicals added to that stuff that may not be good for the trees, what do you think?

Gerry


Not all kitty litter is good. Its just specific kinds of litter that works. It should be non clumping, non parfumed and made of hard baked bentonite clay or similar. If you find the right product its proboably very good. In my country virtually impossible to find. However, similar products is used to suck up liquids on workshop floors. Those are easier to find here and I have started to use it as a part of my mix.
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #72845
Thanks Troyfrog, I will look into that option.
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Posted 2 years 4 months ago #74827
I use crushed brick, but it's not just random chunks, but sized 6-810mm.
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Posted 2 years 4 months ago #74828

I use crushed brick, but it's not just random chunks, but sized 6-810mm.

810mm must be for really big trees? :)
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